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we meet Deborah, shes on her way to a mental hospital, Shes two years short of finishing high school, and shes recently been hospitalized for slitting her wrists, Her mother, at least, is aware that theres something not quite right about Deborah, but she cant really put her finger on what it is.
A famous therapist agrees to work with Deborah to help her sort out her problems, Only pages into this novel, readers glimpse Deborahs uniquely frightening psychological landscape the land of Yr, It used to be more of a fantasy retreat for her, and shed spend hours, days, with the gods of Yr Anterrabae, Lactamaeon soaring as a bird or running across the plains.
But things started to change, There were the voices from the Pit, telling her how broken and poisonous she was, and there was the Censor, who promised to keep her safe, keep her sane, keep the secrets of Yr from the outside world, but who also began to control everything Deborah did, everything she was.
It is Deborahs job, with the help of her therapist, Dr, Fried Furii, as she becomes known in the language of Yr, to turn to the real world, to attempt to live in it, and eventually, to leave Yr behind.
Deborahs just starting to feel that she might have the strength to do that,

After reading this, it struck me how very fragile people are, I Never Promised You a Rose Garden, is based on real events in Joanne Greenbergs life how could anything so rich, so strange, so fully formed, so psychological painful not be her own mental illness, and her own struggle to return to the world.
Things happen to us when were vulnerable and some people work through them, while others are broken in terrible ways they fracture, they hide, they throw up shields and, for awhile, these coping mechanisms work for them.
What strange creatures we are to do such things, In Deborahs case, a number of things come into play, but theres this seed incident when shes a child a tumor thats removed, never adequately explained, and the lies that surround the surgery and recovery that really start her down the path into madness.
I kept wondering, “How did it get so out of control How did it get to this point” Im not sure Id have the patience to be anyones guide out of madness.


It takes years for Deborah to start making the kind of progress that her parents can see getting to the point where she can be on the “B” floor with privileges to go out on the grounds, into town, stay out after dark.
Eventually, shes allowed to make contact with the community join two choirs, a sewing group, get her own place to live, study for the GRE.
And she continues to have setbacks periods when she cant handle it, Even at the end, Deborah returns to the mental hospital to take a breather, and realizes what her presence feels like to the other women on the ward like the work is impossible.
She wishes she had the way, the words to tell them what its really like, Deborahs character is very insightful into her own problems, into the issues of the other women she comes to know and shes also incredibly intelligent it just seems to come out wrong, awkwardly.
Being “of the world” myself, it was sometimes hard to figure out what she was getting at when she tried to speak, but her inner thoughts were incredibly lucid.


There was a time where I was reading all kinds of things like this The Bell Jar, Girl Interrupted all kinds of things on depression and madness.
I wonder if we all go through stages like this, where were dying to know what breaks someone, what insanity is like, how to crawl out of it if it turns out that were actually one of the mad.
Deborahs story was a fascinating trip down into insanity and back up again,

Note: I believe this may have been published under a pseudonym Hannah Green initially, Joanne Greenberg makes reference to a “Hannah Green” in her afterword,
Bir akıl hastasının gözünden hayata bakabilmek, . .

Yazarının kendi yaşamından izler taşıyan bu kitabı okurken "deli" deyip geçtiklerimizin beynine, dünyasına misafir olma şansınız var!

Deborah.
. . Umarım başarmışsındır, Kendi dünyasında yaşayan bir genç kız: deborah, sonsuz hayal gücüyle yarattığı bu dünya onu gerçek dünyadan o kadar koparmış ki artık ailesi çözümü onu kliniğe yatırmakta buluyor.


her zaman şizofreni gibi hastalıkları belli bir acıma ile karşılamaya eğilimliyiz, bu kitapta acımanın çok daha ötesine gidecek adeta karakterle özdeşleşecek ve onunla beraber bu kuyudan çıkmaya çalışacağız,

greenberg aslında kendi hikayesini anlatıyor, okuyucuya da bunu hissettirme konusunda başarılı, anthony pagenin yönettiği bir filmi çekilmişde, şarkısı bile var.


Deborahın dünyası oldukça fantastik, dünyalar arasında adeta “portallanıyor” ve kendini öteki dünyanın yönetmesine izin veriyor, psikolojik mülazahasını yapmak istemem, zira bana göre bu tip hastalıkların kökeninde kişinin kendi davranışlarının sorumluluğundan kurtulma çabası ve güvenlik kaygıları vardır.
deborah için de aynı şeyleri söyleyebilirim, çocukluğunda yaşadığı tramvaların sonucudur bu, lakin, yarattığı dünya delilik saçması olamayacak kadar güzel,

deborahın kişiliğini teşkil eden şeyin belki de bu hastalık olduğunu, yani daha doğrusu sırtını hastalığa yasladığını şuradan çıkarıyorum:

“pekala siz soru sorun, ben yanıt vereyim bütün semptomlarımı yok edip beni eve gönderin ne kalacak bana peki o zaman” sf.


aslında deborahın olduğu kadar ailesinin de bir dramın içine sürüklendiğini söyleyebiliriz, özellikle kız kardeşinin durumu gerçekten acıklı,

şu açık, okuyucu için deborahın buhranları gerçekten sinir bozucu, yani yarattığı dünyada onun o hapisliğini önce “çok saçma, bırak bunları numara yapmayı” demek geliyor insanın içinden, onun o “ortaçağ kapanları”, “duvarları” hepsi uydurma gibi görünüyor, sonunda giderek deborahın bunları ne kadar sağlam bir inançla adeta gerçekmiş gibi yaşadığını görünce bu düşünceler yerini şaşkınlığa, acımaya hatta giderek umutsuzluğa bırakıyor.


deborahın kişiliğinde bir çatışmayı okuyoruz adeta, gerçeklik ile yaratım arasındaki çatışmayı, bizim için “yaratılmış gerçeklik” yani aslında gerçekliğin yeniden ve yeniden yaratılması ilen deborahta yaratım ile gerçeklik arasında bir fark yok.
yani biz nasıl gerçekliği kendi “bilinç süzgecimizden” görüyorsak o da “yaratımı” kendi bilinç süzgecinden

görüyor.
biz gerçekliğe “yabancılık” hissederken yaratımı kendi kontrol alanımızda görüyoruz, oysa onun için kendi kontrol alanı diye bir şey yok, kusursuz bir şekilde kuşatılmış, savunmasız

okuyucuyu da kabuslarına, kafa karışıklığına, adeta deliliğe sürüklediği için başarılı bir yapıt.


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"'Oh, do come in, dear Doctor, You are just in time for the patient's soothing tea and the end of the world, '" p

"'The HIDDEN strength is too deep a secret, But in the end it is our only ally, '" Dr. Fried, page.

"'I'm a hundred square yards sane, ' If there were such things as manhours and lightyears, surely there was footsanity, " p

"'Then you're not going to be indifferent, . . ' 'You're damn right I'm not!'" Deborah and Dr, Fried, p

"'We will work hard, together, and we will understand, ' 'As long as we can stand at all, '" Dr. Fried and Deborah, p

"'If I can learn these things, . . can read and learn, why is it still so dark'" Deborah, p,.

"'Do you think you could compete with my smallest nightmare on its dullest day'" Deborah, p,.

"'Your spatial laws are okay, but Godwatch out for the choices you give us!'" Deborah, p,.

"' they build their tortures so cunningly!', . . 'You mean the restraints' 'I mean the HOPE!'" Deborah and Sylvia, p,.

"'Let us bless the strength that let you see, and work toward the time when you will be able also to DO what you see to do.
'" Dr. Fried, p

"'I'm tired and scared and I just don't care any more what happens, Work in the dark and work in the cold and what for!, . . The more garbage I give away the more I have left, YOU can turn me off, I can't turn me off, so I'm turning the fight off, " Deborah, p.,

"'Typical regional cooking, They never say what region, but I have some ideas!'" "Fiorentini's Mary," p,.

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This is a brilliant book and perhaps deserves more than three, but there are certainly problems, most having to do with our better understanding of schizophrenia in more recent times.
As a historical document, the book powerfully represents a world in which large industrialsize mental hospitals were considered advanced, stateoftheart facilities, Seclusion rooms and cold packs trapping a patient in icecold sheets were also considered constructive treatments, as was intensive psychoanalysis for psychosis, Greenberg's descriptions are poignant in this respect, especially because she was herself a patient in real life, She seems to have found the cold packs, seclusion, confinement in a prisonlike ward to be stabilizing and helpful, which reminds one of how few options were available for sick people at the time.
The other weakness is the depiction of other characters besides the mental patient Deborah Blau, There is much subtlety and complexity in these portrayals, but there is also a frustrating resort to stereotypes and superficiality, The parents, Esther and Jacob, are represented sympathetically but flatly and are also blamed in part for the psychosis, an outdated attitude, The younger sister Suzy is even more sketchily represented, The family, I'm sure, would have suffered much more intensely than Greenberg represents, especially since they are given only vague reports on their daughter's wellbeing.
Also, Dr. Fried, although represented as a heroic figure, is never fully fleshed out, and neither are the other mental health workers, I admired the book tremendously, but it was also quite frustrating, I read this too long ago to really review it properly,

I do remember it being a favorite book when I was young and troubled, Deli nedir, neye denir
Biz deli miyiz
Delirmek üzere olduğumuzu hissettiğimiz anlarda adlında gerçek deliliğe ne kadar yakınız
İşte bütün bu soruların cevabı bu kitapta.

Bir deli kızımız var Deborah, Zihninde apayrı, fantastik bir dünya var Yr, Bu dünya ile bağlantı kurabilen tek ve yegane kişi de yine kendisi,
Yr isimli bu dünyanın kendine ait bir dili var, Ve bu dilide yine sular seller gibi konuşabiliyor Deborah, Hastalık öyle boyutlara varmış ki, kız yeni bir dil icat etmiş, Tolkien kılıklı,
İşe bu kızın Yr ve dünya arasında ki gidiş gelişleri ve bu sırada yaşadıkları en sonunda da iyileşme süreci ve bu yıllar boyunca da bir yandan ailesinin yaşadıkları.
. .
Çok güzel ama çok ağırdı, Emek ve zaman harcamak lazım, Kitap buna değer. What a beautifully written semiautobiographical story of the struggle of a young girl attempting to refocus her energies on the real world, making the transition from being mentally ill and being mentally well, as well as the stigma placed on those who have psychiatric diagnoses.
As someone with experience both as a mental health professional and a patient, I can see both perspectives, It is never easy to go from the safety of the hospital environment back into the world, where one must live a productive life and move on from that point it seems easy, at times, to give up, but I saw the triumph of the writer as she became successful in life.
I picked up this book in a nifty secondhand bookshop as I was leaving Malvern, and as it is centred around a woman with a mental illness, and in this case, schizophrenia, I just couldn't resist buying it.
I've always had an interest in mental illness, which over the years, has lead to a fascination, and I love gathering different experiences and perspectives on it.


The story is about Deborah, a young girl who is finishing high school in a couple of years, but after slitting her wrists, she is taken to a mental institution.
These institutions are not like we know them to be today, in fact, they are quite different,

Treatments then such as putting an individual in seclusion, or wrapping them in cold ice sheets were considered excellent forms of treatment for patients suffering with a mental illness.
Green describes these situations with care, but it is outdated, Obviously today, cold sheet wrapping is not an effective treatment, and many other medicines and various treatments are available now,

I also noticed that Deborah's parents fail to have a role in this story, and when they do, I get the impression that the author has stuck to stereotypes, and the parents are somehow to blame for their daughters health decline.
I found this irritating, as from my perspective, you can have the most wonderful, cleancut parents in the world, but unfortunately, this doesn't mean you won't develop schizophrenia at some point in your life.


I'm no stranger to mental health battles, and I know that a loving, caring family would suffer immensely watching their child live with schizophrenia, but Green portrays the parents as just people standing on the sideline, strangers almost, with no feelings about it all.


I found this book interesting, and I'm happy to have read it, but the characters, apart from Deborah herself, of course, let the book down, and had an impact on my overall enjoyment.



I Never Promised You a Rose Garden is the story of a sixteenyearold who retreats from reality into the bondage of a lushly imagined but threatening kingdom, and her slow and painful journey back to sanity.


Chronicles the threeyear battle of a mentally ill, but perceptive, teenage girl against a world of her own creation, emphasizing her relationship with the doctor who gave her the ammunition of selfunderstanding with which to help herself.


"I wrote this novel, which is a fictionalized autobiography, to give a picture of what being schizophrenic feels like and what can be accomplished with a trusting relationship between a gifted therapist and a willing patient.
It is not a case history or study, I like to think it is a hymn to reality, " Joanne Greenberg.