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I don't think pastoral romance is something for me, I found this one from the ancient Greek author Longus, overly long and without substance of any kind,
A boy and a girl, both foundlings, are raised by poor shepherds/goatherds and while there is pirates and other kind of problems, they only have eyes for each other and are painfully slow acting on it.
All the while they seem naive to a fault,
Not for me,
Little Black ClassicsKısacık ama dolu dolu bir okuma oldu benim için, Doğaya terk edilmiş Dafnis ve Hloi'nin hikayesi, Eros'un müdahalesi, adaklar, dualar, . . Kurguda ilerlerken kendinizi bir yerden sonra anlatılan doğanın bir parçasıymış gibi hissetmeye başlıyorsunuz,
.
İlk pastoral anlatılardan biri olarak kabul ediliyor kitap, Bilmeyenler için pastoral anlatı doğa tasvirlerinin, tabiatın, kır hayatının öne çıktığı anlatılardır, Antik Yunan edebiyatının ilk düzyazılarından olduğu için edebiyatta ayrıca bir öneme sahip, Ayrıca mitolojiden de bol bol bahsetmekte ve bence kitabı güzelleştiren de tam olarak buydu, Yer yer Pan, Eros gibi figürlerin anlatıya dahil olması kitabı oldukça renklendirmiş,
.
Tatlı bir kitaptı ama sonlara doğru biraz uzamış gibi hissettim ki incecik olduğundan bu durum ilginç geldi, Shakespeare, George Sand, Colette hatta Yukio Mişima gibi birçok edebiyatçıyı etkilemiş bir eser olduğundan bahsedilmiş, Okurken edebiyatçıların etkilendikleri kısımları kolayca görmek mümkün, Duyguları anlatırken bile doğadan yararlanmanın bu kitapla başlangıcının yapılması gerçekten etkileyici, Uno dei primi romanzi, scritto nel III secolo d, c.
La trama oggi fa sorridere per la sua semplicità: due orfanelli, un maschio e una femmina, vengono trovati a distanza di giorni da due diversi pastori.
Cresceranno insieme e si innamoreranno, dovendo superare qualche ostacolo prima di poter consumare, Sì, consumare, perchè Longo Sofista non si limita a parlare di solecuoreamore ma entra anche nel dettaglio dell'educazione sessuale e dell'innamoramento fisico dei due fanciulli.
E bisogna ammettere che ne scriveva meglio lui nel III secolo d, c. di tanti nell'anno del signore, this was so sweet
. Finally, finally Eros doesn't produce trauma, attempted/successful rpe, and women's transformation to just about anything to avoid the predatory advances of men, For once there's reciprocity and who doesn't love consent
, Successful, wholesome romance not riddled with obnoxious characters or tragedy, I truly haven't experienced a single piece of ancient literature which meets those requirements, It's a breath of fresh air,
. It is just so, so painfully sweet and silly, My heart!
. There are no truly awful characters in the whole thing, I didn't hate anybody. Even the suitors of both Daphne and Chloe, though annoying, weren't nearly as problematic as most characters in mythology,
I don't understand its rating because it's an absolute gift to ancient literature and a delight to read, I am so swoony over it, sigh The adolescent,real pure love,the discovery of sensuality,the birth of sexuality,the exploration of one another body,is one of the most beautiful and tender events in the life of a human beingyet no ever happens and if it do, mostly only one time, and by that is a intemporal subject of novels and poetry.
This pastoril bucolic novel ,written in Adrianos time,located in the Lesbos island ,near the turkish coast,tells all this with a lot of references to grek mithology and with happy end.
Is striking in this novel not contamined with the christian or at least catholic concept of sexual morality,the exquisite delicacy in describing the sexuality, mostly by using metaphores and ellipses,also is striking,or no so much in that time, the natural treatment of homosexuality and the value of virginity.
Is a beautiful novel ,permeated by inocence ,ingenuity and simplicity,
The arquetipe of the coming bucolic or not, adolescent love novels,
I am thinking that perhaps this novel has influenced another classic novel over adolescent love,Paul and Virginie by Bernardine Saint Pierre,similar in circustances and environement,yet here there are not,in some way obvious, sexual references nor happy end This was my first classical novel, having only read plays/poems beforehand.
Daphnis and Chloe has been cited by many booktubers whose opinions on classical literature I trust as a great place to start with literature from antiquity, and the premise of this book was too good to pass up.
Daphnis and Chloe is a very sweet tale of Daphnis ayearold goatherd and Chloe ayearold shepherdess who fall in love without understanding what 'Love' is.
Through a series of bizarre and comedic mishaps and with a little help from Pan and the Nymphs, they learn about love and find their true happiness as well as something about themselves to boot!
This was very easy to read, which was a great surprise.
I usually approach classical literature with some trepidation, but Longus' novel was intensely readable, I put this all down to the excellent translation by Ronald McCail, and would recommend picking up this particular Oxford World's Classics edition, The only thing that I found a little disrupting to my reading experience was having to constantly refer to the notes throughout there were a lot.
It made reading a little disjointed at times, However, having read it once, if I do go back to this text I won't have to refer to the notes the second time around, which should make for a more fluid reading experience.
However, the notes are well worth reading as they provide some great background information on certain words and passages,
Overall I highly enjoyed this read, It was fun and ,despite the subject matter, not crude in the slightest, This has made me more excited to read more classical literature, So classical lit fans, feel free to chuck recommendations at me! What a sweet little love story One of the great ironies of world literature is that the sole extant novel by the Greek author Longus is actually quite short.
Okay, now that I've gotten that out of my system,
"Daphnis and Chloe" is one of the quintessential works of the Hellenistic period, and it's tempting to conclude with the classicists of theth century, reading this trifle, that Hellenism was a period of decadence in Greek culture.
We've come a long way from Aeschylus and Homer, to this artful pastoral diversion written for citydwellers who had never set foot in the country.
In Longus' idyllic vision of the rural world, bees are all honey and no sting, and even the fearsome god Pan has been reduced to a character from the Beethoven sequence of Disney's Fantasia.
The plot, such as it is, involves the starcrossed lovers Daphnis and Chloe as they stumble their way into love's mysteries and each others' arms, faced with minor trials of subHerculean scope, such as not understanding how one is to comport one's self in satisfying the needs of the body.
I couldn't help but think of the glorious pediment statue of the Archaic precursor to the Parthenon, housed in the Acropolis museum a vivid and enormous depiction of a lion bringing down a bull.
It remains one of the most powerful images of religious art I've yet seen, and I can only shake my head at the decline of insight and intensity that wound Greek culture down from that searing encounter with the heart of nature to this mere ornament, which has the insight and profundity of one of Mozart's comedies.
I was strongly reminded of von Eschenbach's Parsifal in his fool state, reading of Daphnis' proclivity to burst into tears whenever frightened or confused, and his stonedull inability to reason through the basic facts of life.
That said, it is a piece of its time, and reflects the anxieties and outlooks of the leisure class of lateperiod Hellenistic culture.
It is one of the world's first novels, and it attempts a psychology of sorts which is more amusing than persuasive, I can't speak for the quality of the translation, other than to my ears it landed as vernacular and a little clunky throughout, If there is lyricism in the original, that's where it mostly stayed,
This book seems so out of place, This little novel of pastoral love when set against the epics of Greek and Roman poetry seems like something the contemporaries couldnt have taken seriously.
Yet its a captivating and sensuous read, perhaps more now than it was then, It bears some resemblance to Sorrows of Young Werther and many books with simple plots, but it contains the magical elements of myth, like Shakespeares more lighthearted plays.
It was a lot of fun, and could be considered one of the archetype texts of the pastoral genre, It is definitely an important book, though considering it a perfect novel is impossible, The plot is eccentric and the characters highly naïve, and it partakes of many of the elements of fable and bedtime stories, The descriptions are welldone and the action is brief and unimportant, It could have been written by Flaubert, or an admirer of Flaubert, It is the only thing Longus ever wrote that survived, if he even existed as an actual person, Nothing is known about him, yet he is remembered for this slight and charming tale, the type of thing he might have scribbled out over a few weeks, composed with wide brush strokes that spoke to many different sorts of people and appealed to the desires we all feel for the freedom of the heathens who enjoy Nature more than busy city folk.
A shepherd and a shepherdess fall in love in those ancient days before this became a literary trope,
They are even more innocent than the sheep they herd and have no idea how to satisfy their feelings, They ask an old woman for help, She cackles and tells them that they have to sleep together, So the couple go back to the field, lie down together and fall asleep, They wake up and feel as unsatisfied as before,
Oh, and as so often in the literature of this period there are some pirates too, Things like this make me lament the difference in curriculum between what I studied in school in the US and what my friend studied in Italy in Lecce.
At least I'm aware that I missed out, and so I have to fill in the gaps! The way I do so is through this: the Penguin Classics list I found on Wikipedia see below for the links
And this is exactly one of the kinds of books that make me glad to have this list to refer to when I choose the next book to readespecially since most of them are free and I can put them immediately on my Kindle.
And as an American, how would we have had exposure to this, unless some Hollywood film company decides to make a new iteration of it Without that kind of leverage behind it, it's not something that would ever come again ever onto the Bestseller list even if it is better than the majority of those books there.
Listening to a great episode of RADIOLAB ''Words'' about how a language spontaneously grew among the deaf community in Nicaragua, and how the second generation hadx more subtle words for the idea of ''to think'', with the result that they scored many orders better on a test that examined their ability to have strong interpersonal empathy.
I. e. , their ability to think from the point of view of another person was much stronger because their ''islands of information'' in their brain had more subtle bridges that could be more fully utilized, and so they functioned at a higher level until thend gen taught thest gen the new words, and the scores normalized.
To me, this says a lot about the influence and evolution of literature, even the use and function of it, Furthermore, larger vocabulary literally is empowering in a very concrete way, and that applies also to the way words are used and the kind of constantly evolving complexity in the spiritual field of the different worlds created by good literature.
You can become more human by reading books, In the program, the man says theyears when he was deaf and languageless not even knowing until then that objects had names that people used were his dark years, and once he had the growing vocabulary, he was less and less able to remember what he felt then before his first teacher opened him up, and was never able to interact in the same way with his other languageless friends because he could no longer think in a way that was intelligible to his friends.
So with this in mind, I open a Penguin Classic and I wonder, how far removed am I from the way this writer understands his world And its a tricky thing, especially in this instance.
Longus wrote the amazing Daphnis and Chloeyears ago, Which in Greek antiquity time,
is the end of Greek antiquity time, Its surprising that it doesn't feel dated, It isn't overly elaborate, but neither is it extremely simplistic, The writer really seems to have thought about the arc of the story, when to bring or when to pull the emotional punches, Things are mentioned that have an impact dozens of pages later, there's a good economy of words, but the author also is able to elaborate when necessary rather than rushing the story.
I read it in abouthours, and didn't once have my attention wander, I meant to read half last night and half today but I liked it enough that I kept going untilAM,
It's worth your time! It easily rivaled any other classical text that I've come across, I've not really read a lot from this time, but have enjoyed nearly everything that I've come across, Other Antiquities classics that I love: Xenophon's Persian Journey, the Satyricon, the Heroides by Ovid, and Edith Hamilton's Mythology, Drama, I like : The Seven Against Thebes, Aristophanes and Aeschylus, People make a great todo about Euripides, but I read a thing about him that was pretty scathing and have stayed away from him, Plus there are many good Shakespeare plays that incorporate these characters,
This is the intro text on GR from the Marc Chagal version :
InGoethe called Daphnis and Chloe 'a masterpiece.
. . in which Understanding, Art, and Taste appear at their highest point, and beside which the good Virgil retreats somewhat into the background, . . One would do well to read it every year, to be instructed by it again and again, and to receive anew the impression of its great beauty.
'Touching yet humorous, naive and at the same time highly sophisticated, Daphnis and Chloe is the story of a shepherd boy and girl who fall desperately in love yet find themselves facing great obstacles, because in their passion they behave, as the author says, even more awkwardly 'than rams and ewes.
'.
The mentioned segment from Radiolab's WORDS
sitelink radiolab. orgaugn
Penguin Classics Complete:
sitelink wikipedia. org/wiki/Listof
Penguinth Century/ Modern Classics what they call Novecento in Italian:
sitelink wikipedia. org/wiki/Listof
This is the TIMEPresent list that is very nice, too,
sitelink listal. com/list/times .
I don't think pastoral romance is something for me, I found this one from the ancient Greek author Longus, overly long and without substance of any kind,
A boy and a girl, both foundlings, are raised by poor shepherds/goatherds and while there is pirates and other kind of problems, they only have eyes for each other and are painfully slow acting on it.
All the while they seem naive to a fault,
Not for me,
Little Black ClassicsKısacık ama dolu dolu bir okuma oldu benim için, Doğaya terk edilmiş Dafnis ve Hloi'nin hikayesi, Eros'un müdahalesi, adaklar, dualar, . . Kurguda ilerlerken kendinizi bir yerden sonra anlatılan doğanın bir parçasıymış gibi hissetmeye başlıyorsunuz,
.
İlk pastoral anlatılardan biri olarak kabul ediliyor kitap, Bilmeyenler için pastoral anlatı doğa tasvirlerinin, tabiatın, kır hayatının öne çıktığı anlatılardır, Antik Yunan edebiyatının ilk düzyazılarından olduğu için edebiyatta ayrıca bir öneme sahip, Ayrıca mitolojiden de bol bol bahsetmekte ve bence kitabı güzelleştiren de tam olarak buydu, Yer yer Pan, Eros gibi figürlerin anlatıya dahil olması kitabı oldukça renklendirmiş,
.
Tatlı bir kitaptı ama sonlara doğru biraz uzamış gibi hissettim ki incecik olduğundan bu durum ilginç geldi, Shakespeare, George Sand, Colette hatta Yukio Mişima gibi birçok edebiyatçıyı etkilemiş bir eser olduğundan bahsedilmiş, Okurken edebiyatçıların etkilendikleri kısımları kolayca görmek mümkün, Duyguları anlatırken bile doğadan yararlanmanın bu kitapla başlangıcının yapılması gerçekten etkileyici, Uno dei primi romanzi, scritto nel III secolo d, c.
La trama oggi fa sorridere per la sua semplicità: due orfanelli, un maschio e una femmina, vengono trovati a distanza di giorni da due diversi pastori.
Cresceranno insieme e si innamoreranno, dovendo superare qualche ostacolo prima di poter consumare, Sì, consumare, perchè Longo Sofista non si limita a parlare di solecuoreamore ma entra anche nel dettaglio dell'educazione sessuale e dell'innamoramento fisico dei due fanciulli.
E bisogna ammettere che ne scriveva meglio lui nel III secolo d, c. di tanti nell'anno del signore, this was so sweet
'This only they knew, that the kiss had destroyed him and the bath had destroyed her, '
In this beautiful Ancient Greek tale, Daphnis and Chloe are the inexperienced goatherd and shepherd who must face pirates, rivals and the confusion of their own feelings to find true love.
One ofnew books in the bestselling Little Black Classics series, to celebrate the first ever Penguin Classic in, Each book gives readers a taste of the Classics' huge range and diversity, with works from around the world and across the centuries including fables, decadence, heartbreak, tall tales, satire, ghosts, battles and elephants.
. Finally, finally Eros doesn't produce trauma, attempted/successful rpe, and women's transformation to just about anything to avoid the predatory advances of men, For once there's reciprocity and who doesn't love consent
, Successful, wholesome romance not riddled with obnoxious characters or tragedy, I truly haven't experienced a single piece of ancient literature which meets those requirements, It's a breath of fresh air,
. It is just so, so painfully sweet and silly, My heart!
. There are no truly awful characters in the whole thing, I didn't hate anybody. Even the suitors of both Daphne and Chloe, though annoying, weren't nearly as problematic as most characters in mythology,
I don't understand its rating because it's an absolute gift to ancient literature and a delight to read, I am so swoony over it, sigh The adolescent,real pure love,the discovery of sensuality,the birth of sexuality,the exploration of one another body,is one of the most beautiful and tender events in the life of a human beingyet no ever happens and if it do, mostly only one time, and by that is a intemporal subject of novels and poetry.
This pastoril bucolic novel ,written in Adrianos time,located in the Lesbos island ,near the turkish coast,tells all this with a lot of references to grek mithology and with happy end.
Is striking in this novel not contamined with the christian or at least catholic concept of sexual morality,the exquisite delicacy in describing the sexuality, mostly by using metaphores and ellipses,also is striking,or no so much in that time, the natural treatment of homosexuality and the value of virginity.
Is a beautiful novel ,permeated by inocence ,ingenuity and simplicity,
The arquetipe of the coming bucolic or not, adolescent love novels,
I am thinking that perhaps this novel has influenced another classic novel over adolescent love,Paul and Virginie by Bernardine Saint Pierre,similar in circustances and environement,yet here there are not,in some way obvious, sexual references nor happy end This was my first classical novel, having only read plays/poems beforehand.
Daphnis and Chloe has been cited by many booktubers whose opinions on classical literature I trust as a great place to start with literature from antiquity, and the premise of this book was too good to pass up.
Daphnis and Chloe is a very sweet tale of Daphnis ayearold goatherd and Chloe ayearold shepherdess who fall in love without understanding what 'Love' is.
Through a series of bizarre and comedic mishaps and with a little help from Pan and the Nymphs, they learn about love and find their true happiness as well as something about themselves to boot!
This was very easy to read, which was a great surprise.
I usually approach classical literature with some trepidation, but Longus' novel was intensely readable, I put this all down to the excellent translation by Ronald McCail, and would recommend picking up this particular Oxford World's Classics edition, The only thing that I found a little disrupting to my reading experience was having to constantly refer to the notes throughout there were a lot.
It made reading a little disjointed at times, However, having read it once, if I do go back to this text I won't have to refer to the notes the second time around, which should make for a more fluid reading experience.
However, the notes are well worth reading as they provide some great background information on certain words and passages,
Overall I highly enjoyed this read, It was fun and ,despite the subject matter, not crude in the slightest, This has made me more excited to read more classical literature, So classical lit fans, feel free to chuck recommendations at me! What a sweet little love story One of the great ironies of world literature is that the sole extant novel by the Greek author Longus is actually quite short.
Okay, now that I've gotten that out of my system,
"Daphnis and Chloe" is one of the quintessential works of the Hellenistic period, and it's tempting to conclude with the classicists of theth century, reading this trifle, that Hellenism was a period of decadence in Greek culture.
We've come a long way from Aeschylus and Homer, to this artful pastoral diversion written for citydwellers who had never set foot in the country.
In Longus' idyllic vision of the rural world, bees are all honey and no sting, and even the fearsome god Pan has been reduced to a character from the Beethoven sequence of Disney's Fantasia.
The plot, such as it is, involves the starcrossed lovers Daphnis and Chloe as they stumble their way into love's mysteries and each others' arms, faced with minor trials of subHerculean scope, such as not understanding how one is to comport one's self in satisfying the needs of the body.
I couldn't help but think of the glorious pediment statue of the Archaic precursor to the Parthenon, housed in the Acropolis museum a vivid and enormous depiction of a lion bringing down a bull.
It remains one of the most powerful images of religious art I've yet seen, and I can only shake my head at the decline of insight and intensity that wound Greek culture down from that searing encounter with the heart of nature to this mere ornament, which has the insight and profundity of one of Mozart's comedies.
I was strongly reminded of von Eschenbach's Parsifal in his fool state, reading of Daphnis' proclivity to burst into tears whenever frightened or confused, and his stonedull inability to reason through the basic facts of life.
That said, it is a piece of its time, and reflects the anxieties and outlooks of the leisure class of lateperiod Hellenistic culture.
It is one of the world's first novels, and it attempts a psychology of sorts which is more amusing than persuasive, I can't speak for the quality of the translation, other than to my ears it landed as vernacular and a little clunky throughout, If there is lyricism in the original, that's where it mostly stayed,
This book seems so out of place, This little novel of pastoral love when set against the epics of Greek and Roman poetry seems like something the contemporaries couldnt have taken seriously.
Yet its a captivating and sensuous read, perhaps more now than it was then, It bears some resemblance to Sorrows of Young Werther and many books with simple plots, but it contains the magical elements of myth, like Shakespeares more lighthearted plays.
It was a lot of fun, and could be considered one of the archetype texts of the pastoral genre, It is definitely an important book, though considering it a perfect novel is impossible, The plot is eccentric and the characters highly naïve, and it partakes of many of the elements of fable and bedtime stories, The descriptions are welldone and the action is brief and unimportant, It could have been written by Flaubert, or an admirer of Flaubert, It is the only thing Longus ever wrote that survived, if he even existed as an actual person, Nothing is known about him, yet he is remembered for this slight and charming tale, the type of thing he might have scribbled out over a few weeks, composed with wide brush strokes that spoke to many different sorts of people and appealed to the desires we all feel for the freedom of the heathens who enjoy Nature more than busy city folk.
A shepherd and a shepherdess fall in love in those ancient days before this became a literary trope,
They are even more innocent than the sheep they herd and have no idea how to satisfy their feelings, They ask an old woman for help, She cackles and tells them that they have to sleep together, So the couple go back to the field, lie down together and fall asleep, They wake up and feel as unsatisfied as before,
Oh, and as so often in the literature of this period there are some pirates too, Things like this make me lament the difference in curriculum between what I studied in school in the US and what my friend studied in Italy in Lecce.
At least I'm aware that I missed out, and so I have to fill in the gaps! The way I do so is through this: the Penguin Classics list I found on Wikipedia see below for the links
And this is exactly one of the kinds of books that make me glad to have this list to refer to when I choose the next book to readespecially since most of them are free and I can put them immediately on my Kindle.
And as an American, how would we have had exposure to this, unless some Hollywood film company decides to make a new iteration of it Without that kind of leverage behind it, it's not something that would ever come again ever onto the Bestseller list even if it is better than the majority of those books there.
Listening to a great episode of RADIOLAB ''Words'' about how a language spontaneously grew among the deaf community in Nicaragua, and how the second generation hadx more subtle words for the idea of ''to think'', with the result that they scored many orders better on a test that examined their ability to have strong interpersonal empathy.
I. e. , their ability to think from the point of view of another person was much stronger because their ''islands of information'' in their brain had more subtle bridges that could be more fully utilized, and so they functioned at a higher level until thend gen taught thest gen the new words, and the scores normalized.
To me, this says a lot about the influence and evolution of literature, even the use and function of it, Furthermore, larger vocabulary literally is empowering in a very concrete way, and that applies also to the way words are used and the kind of constantly evolving complexity in the spiritual field of the different worlds created by good literature.
You can become more human by reading books, In the program, the man says theyears when he was deaf and languageless not even knowing until then that objects had names that people used were his dark years, and once he had the growing vocabulary, he was less and less able to remember what he felt then before his first teacher opened him up, and was never able to interact in the same way with his other languageless friends because he could no longer think in a way that was intelligible to his friends.
So with this in mind, I open a Penguin Classic and I wonder, how far removed am I from the way this writer understands his world And its a tricky thing, especially in this instance.
Longus wrote the amazing Daphnis and Chloeyears ago, Which in Greek antiquity time,
is the end of Greek antiquity time, Its surprising that it doesn't feel dated, It isn't overly elaborate, but neither is it extremely simplistic, The writer really seems to have thought about the arc of the story, when to bring or when to pull the emotional punches, Things are mentioned that have an impact dozens of pages later, there's a good economy of words, but the author also is able to elaborate when necessary rather than rushing the story.
I read it in abouthours, and didn't once have my attention wander, I meant to read half last night and half today but I liked it enough that I kept going untilAM,
It's worth your time! It easily rivaled any other classical text that I've come across, I've not really read a lot from this time, but have enjoyed nearly everything that I've come across, Other Antiquities classics that I love: Xenophon's Persian Journey, the Satyricon, the Heroides by Ovid, and Edith Hamilton's Mythology, Drama, I like : The Seven Against Thebes, Aristophanes and Aeschylus, People make a great todo about Euripides, but I read a thing about him that was pretty scathing and have stayed away from him, Plus there are many good Shakespeare plays that incorporate these characters,
This is the intro text on GR from the Marc Chagal version :
InGoethe called Daphnis and Chloe 'a masterpiece.
. . in which Understanding, Art, and Taste appear at their highest point, and beside which the good Virgil retreats somewhat into the background, . . One would do well to read it every year, to be instructed by it again and again, and to receive anew the impression of its great beauty.
'Touching yet humorous, naive and at the same time highly sophisticated, Daphnis and Chloe is the story of a shepherd boy and girl who fall desperately in love yet find themselves facing great obstacles, because in their passion they behave, as the author says, even more awkwardly 'than rams and ewes.
'.
The mentioned segment from Radiolab's WORDS
sitelink radiolab. orgaugn
Penguin Classics Complete:
sitelink wikipedia. org/wiki/Listof
Penguinth Century/ Modern Classics what they call Novecento in Italian:
sitelink wikipedia. org/wiki/Listof
This is the TIMEPresent list that is very nice, too,
sitelink listal. com/list/times .