amp mind expanding. Connecting great teaching across the ages in great Teachers and Students throughout culture,
Rereading this alongside the classics he examples, would be instructive, Brilliant insight old school scope, Muy bueno el trabajo de Steiner para esta publicación, muy distinta de sus textos filosóficos anteriores, por ejemplo el de presencias reales, Es más, al iniciar su lectura vino a mi mente al maestro J, L. Borges, por la facilidad de vincular los personajes,
Steiner logra desarrollar una fantástica relación entre los grandes maestros de la historia y sus discípulos, pero lo más notorio es la influencia que destaca el maestro en sus pupilos.
En lo particular me gustó mucho la "triada" Husserl, Hidegger, Arendt, I have to take it on faith that half the references are apt and are adding layers to his relatively simple arguments, I am not nearly erudite enough to refute or agree with the the format, presentation, or assertions made in this book, I suppose the intended audience comprises specialists and "hardcore" literary academics, Digression: This is part of the problem, when the those that love the craft both in reading and creating alienate themselves from the common people.
Education at it's heart and soul is a very liberal and pragmatic endeavor, and for any group to entrance themselves with their own hall of mirrors effectively makes you impotent to the people you are trying to serve.
Wait I guess this book did teach me something about teachers after all, Interesante incomprensible pero interesante I stumbled on this excellent title via a you tube review of The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie, The reviewer suggested that every nuance in Muriel Spark's novel is alluded to in Lessons of the Masters, In deed what excites me is how Steiner's revelations are both ancient and modern and can be applied without too much poetic licence to many teacherstudent relationships in lower or higher education.
Miss Brodie's dealings with her 'my girls' reveals all the range of emotions between heroworshipping and eventual betrayal as between the philosopher Husserl and his student Martin Heidegger in the emergence and arguments of existentialism.
The dilemma of the passing on of information from the teacher to the student is precisely expressed by Fredrick Nietzsche, quoted in Steiner, when the German philosopher says 'authentic discipleship should end in rejection.
The true disciple can only be the one who 'will learn to follow himself', pThis equation helps understand how
Sandy Stranger is Miss Brodie's special student and is the one that rejects Miss Brodie, Steiner connects these high considerations to the present state of university education in America and the UK and the threat of claims of sexual harassment the erotic power between teacher and student, even within the same sex that could destroy the essence of the teacher student relationship and its implicit emotional force.
Steiner also argues that this essence is largely not written but spoken and therefore all but ethereal, Claims of abuse because of the intimate nature of relations between master and pupil are almost impossible to disprove, Miss Brodie's tragedy is that she doesn't understand the step beyond the pain of betrayal which Steiner and Nietzsche expose in this beam of high idealism, 'after rejection the master will return to 'the great noon'.
Only then will Zarathustra and his disciples have become fellow celebrants and 'children of one hope', O encontro pessoal entre mestre e discípulo é o tema de George Steiner neste livro absolutamente fascinante, uma sólida reflexão sobre a interacção infinitamente complexa e subtil de poder, confiança e paixão que marca as formas mais profundas de pedagogia.
Baseado em conferências que o autor proferiu na Universidade de Harvard, Lições dos Mestres evoca um grande número de figuras exemplares, nomeadamente, Sócrates e Platão, Jesus e os seus discípulos, Virgílio e Dante, Heloísa e Abelardo, Tycho Brahe e Johann Kepler, o Baal Shem Tov, sábios confucionistas e budistas, Edmund Husserl e Martin Heidegger, Nadia Boulanger e Knute Rockne.
Fundamentais no desenvolvimento da cultura ocidental, Sócrates e Jesus foram mestres carismáticos que não deixaram obra escrita nem fundaram escolas, Nas realizações dos seus discípulos, nas narrativas de paixão inspiradas pelas suas mortes, Steiner divisa as origens do vocabulário íntimo, dos reconhecimentos codificados de grande parte da nossa linguagem moral, filosófica e religiosa.
Partindo de diversas tradições e campos do saber, o autor examina e desenvolve três temas subjacentes: o poder do mestre para explorar a dependência e vulnerabilidade do aluno a ameaça de subversão e traição do mentor pelo seu pupilo a troca recíproca de confiança e afecto, aprendizagem e instrução entre professor e discípulo.
Escrito com erudição e paixão, o presente livro é em si mesmo uma lição magistral sobre a elevada vocação e os sérios riscos que o verdadeiro professor e o verdadeiro aluno assumem e partilham.
Horrível. "La libido sciendi, el deseo de conocimiento, el ansia de comprender, está grabada en los mejores hombres y mujeres, También lo está la vocación de enseñar, No hay oficio más privilegiado, Despertar en otros seres humanos poderes, sueños que están más allá de los nuestros inducir en otros el amor por lo que nosotros amamos hacer de nuestro presente interior el futuro de ellos: ésta es una triple aventura que no se parece a ninguna otra.
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GS
Rewarding essays on teaching and learning, derived from a series of lectures, Impressive for their great depth and breadth, also for the ease of the writing and hence of the reading,
A relatively personal note: One figure discussed here is the French teacher of the midth century known to practically everyone in France at the time as "Alain.
" He was an instructor to and early influence on Simone Weil, with whom I became fascinated a few years ago, He was discussed, but rather briefly, in at least one biography of her, so it was a pleasure to learn more about him here, Este libro es una compilación de una serie de clases sobre la labor de enseñar, dictadas por Steiner en la Universidad de Harvard.
A lo largo de estas lecciones, Steiner con gran lucidez hace un análisis profundo y comparativo de diversos aspectos como la enseñanza oral y escrita, los grandes maestros de la historia, la relación maestro discípulo, los maestros en filosofía, religión, artes y ciencias, etc, la enseñanza en la modernidad.
Su análisis siempre tiene ejemplos puntuales y trata casos específicos, lo cual convierte este ensayo en una lección muy iluminadora, en la que Steiner saca conclusiones lúcidas y fundamentadas.
Por este libro desfilan ilustres personajes como Sócrates, Jesús, Platón, Aristóteles, Kepler, Kafka, Alain, Popper, Baal Shem Tov y tantos otros con anécdotas reveladoras y algunas veces contradictorias de sus propias enseñanzas.
Lo amé. La mente brillante de Steiner se mete por los caminos de la pedagogía, entrando a esa relación entre maestros y discípulos, esas relaciones que han sido famosas, maestros sobresalientes, desde Sócrates, Jesús, hasta maestros como Nadia Boulanger, o Alain.
Siempre me ha atraído el mundo de la pedagogía, y esa relación que se crea entre dos personas cuando uno enseña, otro aprende.
Una delicia de principio a fin,
I glommed onto this particular tome in a reference Alan Bennet made in sitelinkan interview several years ago, A depressing amount of Steiner's arguments sailed harmlessly over my head he uses allusions and casual references to Ovid, Schopenhauer, Nietzche et al with an ease I can only envy at least, at this point.
Still, his monologue on the Teacher/Student relationship is worthy of consideration, especially in today's politicallycharged pedagogical climate, In no particular order, going over this book in the only fashion I feel I could pull off worth a damn, I give you:
What I learned from George Steiner
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The transmission of knowledge is inherently erotic, I'm not sure how. Steiner argues that the student's intellectual submission before the Master is charged with eros, and to overlook this potential disaster/boon witness Socrates and Alciabades, Abelard and Heloise, Plato and any boy with pecs.
. . is naive and limiting. I don't think current laws allow me to explore this matter any further, And Steiner, you'd better stay the hell away from my third hour,
. A teacher can measure his success by his disciples' ultimate rejection of his tenets, "To teach greatly is to awaken doubts in the pupil, to train for dissent, It is to school the disciple for departure, . . A valid Master should, at the close, be alone, " I buy that.
. The study of the humanities is at odds with that of science and math, It's ridiculous to argue that we'd be bereft of radiation without Madame Curie, but we would not have the Sistine Chapel without Michaelangelo, I'd have to respectfully disagree here, Read Tom Stoppard: "What we lose to history will be picked up along the way, . . or rewritten in a completely different language, You should no more grieve the loss of the books of Alexandria than you should a shoelace lost on the sidewalk, " Paraphrased
. High school teachers suck. We have a "subconsciously vengeful mediocrity" and are "more or less amiable gravediggers" a la Yorrick, Hey, Steiner, no offense, but fuck off, all right If you had any material on presentation besides lectures and qampa, I might be impressed,
. We can thank Goethe for the eternal credo: "He who cannot, teaches, " I'd cuss him out too, were he not alreadyyears dead,
. The charged relationship between Master and Disciple is dangerous it can result in castration, like with Abelard and Heloise, a case of oneupmanship Tycho Brahe and Johannes Kepler Max Brod and Franz Kafka it can seduce and destroy you Mephistopholes and Faustus it can kill you Socrates you can be good at it and still reviled the strange, sad case of Georges Palante yet all of these dizzying possibilities underscore the raw power, responsibility and rush my new three R's of education of the one profession without which there would be no other professions.
. It is extremely difficult to figure a rate of exchange for sharing one's passions with students, At least, in the academic world,
. Some teachers have had stringent requirements for their students, sometimes to their detriment Pythagoras, sometimes beneficially so Zen masters,
. The fact that I need to reread this book a third time, I might add to even come close to absorbing it satisfactorally, is a testament to both my failures as a teacher, and my doggedness, which is one of my greatest assets as a teacher.
. I have so got to read the following stories: "The Lesson of the Master," Henry James "Of This Time, Of That Place" author "The Lesson and the Secret" author The Dying Animal, Philip Roth.
Este es un ensayo exquisito sobre la labor de los maestros en la conformación del pensamiento humano, Steiner es súper digerible y polémico, sobre todo cuando habla de la tradición y esperable relación afectiva entre maestro y alumno.
Cosa que funcionaba con los griegos, pero ahora le llamamos acoso:
"El influjo erótico que el magister tiene a su disposición, las tentaciones sexuales que exhibe el alumno, consciente o no, polarizan la relación pedagógica".
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Algunos pasajes de profundidad conmovedora, Muy al modo en que lo describe Lukács, a propósito del genero ensayo: Una emoción conceptual, o un concepto que arranca emociones.
Los puntos principales de discusión, a su vez que las anécdotas históricas paradigmáticas de un modo estereotipico de relación entre Maestro y discipulo, fueron seductoras y detonaban reflexiones importantes sobre el magisterio.
Ademas, deja perlas bibliograficas hermosas, listas para ser guardadas y referidas posteriormente, No obstante, la excesiva utilización del anecdota histórico, asi como la amplitud de los personajes referidos se acumulan a un punto que obnubila las ideas principales, restándoles fuerza.
Quizás un analisis mas rico en terminos de profundidad de analisis sería posible de haber elegido menos casos, pero entiendi que con ello se podría perder una de las reflexiones primordiales: el arraigo, desde siempre, del Maestro en la historia de la humanidad.
I have to admit since reading Tolstoy or Dostoevsky I have have become a George Steiner junkie, I can't stop reading his books, I am so in awe of his erudition and his thought process, In Lessons of the Masters he is more interested in the relationships betweens masters and their acolytes than the lessons, It took me realize where he was going with this book but it proved to be an encyclopedic review of famous master student relations from Socrates on.
Steiner looks at the arts, the sciences, Rabbi Akiba to the Bal Shem Tov, and a brief look at Eastern philosophies and religions, Tras veinticinco años de ejercer la docencia, George Steiner concibió estas “Lecciones de los maestros”, una exquisita reflexión “en torno a uno de los misterios clave del ser humano como especie biológica y cultural: la historia del saber, la historia de la paideia y de la pedagogía, la teología de la enseñanza”, como discierne a su vez Adolfo Castañón.
Los textos reunidos en este volumen las prestigiosas Eliot Norton Lectures que Steiner impartió en Harvard entreyson un asombroso encuentro de mentores y alumnos, una cadena de enseñanza que va de Pitágoras a Empédocles, de Sócrates a Platón a Aristóteles, de Virgilio a Dante, o de Husserl a Heidegger, amén de recuperar documentos y personajes capitales en torno de la interacción maestrodiscípulo, como los textos bíblicos y la Torá, San Agustín, Montaigne, Shakespeare o personalidades intelectuales más recientes, como Thomas Mann, Paul Valéry, Saul Bellow, Fernando Pessoa y Yasunari Kawabata, entre muchísimos más.
Por ello Manuel Arranz afirma: “si la palabra escrita no escucha a quien la lee, quien lee sí la escucha a ella en cambio.
Alain, el único filósofo para quien el apelativo maestro de pensamiento no es un eufemismo retórico, aconsejaba: Es preciso leer y releer a los Maestros: Platón, Aristóteles, Montaigne, Descartes, Spinoza, Leibniz, Hegel, Comte y Marx.
Leerlos y releerlos como contemporáneos, en cierto sentido, entre sí pero también nuestros, Hoy sólo tendríamos que añadir algunos nombres a la lista, El de Steiner sería uno de ellos”, .